FROM WHAT I READ: The book appears to offer a seemingly intimate account of the way Emma‘s life has been influenced and shaped. The flavoured words are potently and skilfully written to reveal the confused child within, the vulnerability of an adolescent into womanhood, concluding with decisive disclosures from all those lessons learned.
As a writer it is important that one delivers and rewards their faithful followers, as well as being equally appealing to any probable ’new’ readers that such a ‘raw’ publicised book is bound to attract. Emma has not let herself down; she has given a possible theory of insight into the ‘personal’ behaviour of a person whom she once dated - who happened to be famous. It’s an action perhaps most of us would like to have been in a position to do regarding an ex, but also perhaps would ultimately choose not too. At the end of the day Emma Forrest clearly felt justified that such revelations were deemed necessary to elucidate her own circumstance, and from a legal point of view must clearly be deemed acceptable to convey to a vast audience. No harm done then? I hope not.
My own personal opinion of Ms Forrest has ‘wavered’ and indeed warmed slightly in terms of trying to deal with very personal issues such as the helplessness of self-harming, recognising, admitting and living with mental instability, and the self-deflagration that can come from widespread criticism. I can, and do emphasize with her, particularly in regards to living with mental health issues. And maybe she can bring some form of comfort to those who also suffer from a similar disposition… I hope so.
So am I being ‘unreasonable’ now, after all I publish a blog about a famous person? Well, no I don’t think I am, writing a blog is not the same as writing about your personal experience of a time you spent with a famous person. On this blog we can only assume, and give our opinions relating to that famous person in question; it’s not verified by an official, or by a personal attachment present or past. I can only relay what is already out there in the public arena and circling the net… in other words I can ‘repeat‘ the stories already published and we can debate til the cows come home what those stories may or may not mean.
Without a doubt this book will prove an interesting read for many, and I’m guessing for many different reasons. I’m just not sure that as an individual, I am comfortable in reading about the exploitation of somebody’s past romantic relationships… no matter how cowardly or insensitive the person ‘may’ have been.
Personally, if there's anyone being cowardly or insensitive in this situation, it's EF, in my opinion. Colin made a point of trying to protect her with his comments about being with someone else during the filming of Ondine. So he was sensitive to her feeling hurt. Cowardly is publishing a book years later including details of very private moments with someone famous who obvioulsy felt safe at the time sharing his feelings. Breaking up with her isn't a crime. And as far as I know, he's never said an unkind or personal thing about her since. She could've written about her mental health issues without exploiting Colin. Just my opinion. I've been on the fence about EF since their relationship, but just this bit of her book has made my opinion of her fall fast. It's a kiss and tell and that's not nice. :(
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I don't know much about them as a couple, but I agree with Iz. I was not negative toward her, but this is a cheap shot at a man who, yes, maybe did break it off in an unkind or abrupt manner, but has never publicly done anything to hurt her. I guess the old saying is true: hell hath no fury...
ReplyDeleteI thought the most interesting comments were
ReplyDelete"the newspapers find out about my relationship. WE read obsessively the nasty comments. I am fat and ugly. He is unwashed. We are pregnant." - especially the "we" (Colin & her) and also " his online fan community continue to say that I'm fat and ugly. I look at the comments about us compulsively and, though I understand that reading them is a version of self-mutilation, I can't figure out how to stop."
I've always suspected Colin (and his significant others) do read a lot of what is written about them either on gossip blogs or fansites. I must admit I have always felt very uncomfortable about some of the extremely derogatory statements that are made about Colin's various gfs. I know they are probably intended as harmless fun but at the end of the day none of us actually KNOW what is happening in Colin's life or those close to him. If Emma has been dealing with mental health issues I do genuinely feel for her.
Similarly with Alicja & Colin - any emotional turmoil in their relationship is real to them.
I don't personally think Emma said anything really bad about Colin. I didn't really take it as a "hell has no fury... type rant -she really was harder on herself than Colin I thought.
Gemini - your blog is particularly good in that it is quite balanced. You encourage all sorts of opinions - in my humble opinion anyway!
I agree 1:53, Gemini has done a great job keeping her blog interesting and balanced. For me, it's not so much that Emma said anything really bad about Colin, it's that she's writing about very private things in a memoir. I doubt Colin ever thought the things he was saying to her in private would be in a book two years after they broke up. I wish she'd stuck to her mental health issues. Including Colin in the way she seems to have done from this short excerpt just seems very opportunistic and unfair to him. As has been said, he hasn't talked about her. I wonder if this will be embarrassing to him?
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ReplyDeleteI agree that "kiss and tell" stories are often tacky but I suspected the extract from the Guardian was highly edited & selective.
I've done some research - on Emma's blog she basically confirms this. The book is meant to be about the influence of her psychiatrist Dr R on her life & struggle with mental illness. I imagine the relationship with Colin is quite a small part of the book & even in the extract it is largely in the context of her struggle with self harming. Apart from the rather bizarre "let's have a miniature human, that grows." comment which perhaps we may have been better not knowing about, to me Colin is portrayed as concerned and caring - arranging alterations, even pleading with her not to self harm.
(To be fair to his exes calling the mother of his 2nd child his "baby momma" on a high profile programme like Ellen aint exactly classy either)
Again just my opinion.
3:26 I hope you're right and that Colin's part in the book is small. But from the video interview she did, I feel like he's as much a part of it as Dr. R. Hope I'm wrong. And the mini human comment sounds odd but in the context of an intimate relationship that could've just been a playful way of saying it. Do you know what I mean? Like people naming their private bits when they're together and outside the relationship, it sounds weird. Hm. As for the comment on Ellen, I think he again was being cute and joking. I don't think he would have said it if he thought he'd offend ABC. I still say Colin has shown himself to be a gent in both of these situations at least for as little as we see.
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ReplyDeleteYes I agree - Colin for the most part does seem to be discreet in romantic affairs, and really so have his exes. While I do have some mixed feelings about Emma's book I would quite like to read it as I like her writing style & am interested in the subject matter (mental illness) I think because it is a memoir of sorts & Colin was a part of her life (& maybe you are right - he may have a bigger part in the book) it would be hard for her to exclude the relationship as it would have a bearing on her mental state. I still kind of get the feeling from the extract (especially if she had a history of self harming) she'd be a lot lot harder on herself than she'd ever be on Colin. As uncomfortable as it may make him feel I think he'll come out of it looking pretty good. I might be wrong but for that reason & also the fact that Emma is a novelist I don't really see the book as a tawdry kiss and tell - rather a journey through emotional pain. I think we sometimes believe well known people have fabulously glamorous lives but in the end they have exactly the same emotional problems as all the rest of us. Quite reassuring in a way.
I guess all will be revealed once it is published !
1:53 & 3:26 (Bella)
Well I guess we will all know when the book comes out. I am curious if every other man she's been involved with is part of the book. If she is making everyone who was a part of her life during that time a part, then it makes it less likely she's trying to exploit a famous ex. I have mixed feelings about her, but after reading the excerpt, I'm more inclined to be sympathetic towards her. I had doubts at the time that they were really in a "relationship" but now believe they really were.
ReplyDeleteYes I too would be interested to see if Emma writes about her other ex's in this book?
ReplyDeleteIs the book supposed to be an autobiography?
(I'm not sure on this one).
Are the people in question aware that they have been written about - indeed have they agreed to the content of the book?
If so then this would shed a very different light on the matter... would it not?
However, if the people in question are not, and have not been offered the option as to whether they agree to be written about then this puts the book in a much darker light. If Emma Forrest has made reference to various past ex's and the relationship they had with her then surely the book does rightly fall into the category of a 'kiss & tell' format?
Otherwise, why would the 'extract' of her new book focus so clearly on the connection with Colin Farrell? Is it because having a previous connection with Joe Bloggs doesn't quite hold the same appeal, or indeed generate the same interest and therefore possible profit?
Do we not ALL suffer from the detrimental effects of a relationship when it breaks down, or is broken off. Is it not a natural process that a person's mental and emotional state will go through various stages of recovery?
Menatlly, we are all different and so we all deal with such sad times in different ways. How we behave; either towards ourself or others and the direct influence such unhappy circumstances affect our decision making is all part of the process.
However, most of us are not in a position to wirte about it (other than in our own diary), and this is why I think Emma Forrest has somewhat 'degraded' not only herself but also the people who became involved her. It may very well also have an effect on any future person wishing to become involved with her... will they think twice; if the relationship fails, will they too find their name, and private conversations printed on the pages of a book?!
I'm all for abolishing the stigma attached to 'mental health', and Emma Forrest could have perhaps helped many who also suffer from similar issues. But as the book makes a point of revealing intermit details regarding a relationship with a famous person... I'm sorry but for me this is where the book loses its credibility.
Colin dominates at least one-third of this book. She discusses every intimate detail of their relationship. It is because of her liaison with Colin that the author is getting a lot of publicity for the book. He is the reason many/most people will purchase it.
ReplyDeleteHaving read the book, Colin is portrayed in an extremely bad light. I wonder if he will consider a lawsuit for defamation.
ReplyDeleteOh dear... this was my worst fear and really quite sad, I don't understand why Emma Forrest would put herself in such a position?! :(
ReplyDeleteHowever, I'm not Colin will bother to 'react' in any way as this would possibly give the book even more publicity than it's already generating.
PS. Can I also just apologise for my terrible spelling whereby I've spelt 'inimate' as 'intermit'in my posting!!!!!!! 8-}
Wow! Thanks everyone who's read it for commenting. Question: How were you able to get it ahead of publication?
ReplyDeleteIf Colin dominates that much of the book, then she is the publicity whore I thought she was before. I don't doubt that he screwed her over, but it shouldn't take years to get over a 6 month relationship. We've all been there...............
He probably won't sue her. 1) He feels sorry for her 2) he doesn't want to draw any more attention to the book. JMO
Gemini, the book is in Waterstones and Amazon already. You can go and buy it today if you like 8-}
ReplyDeleteUmm... not sure I would want to waste my money on a book that's heavily focused on a relationship with an ex-boyfriend of the author... like Virgo say's: We've all been there! ;)
ReplyDeleteColin arrives at her home with a frozen ready meal he needs to eat to stay thin for his film role. She puts it in the freezer and forgets about it. After he dumps her she gets the frozen meal out of the freezer, digs a hole and buries it in her garden. When he refuses to respond to her texts after he's dumped her she goes out into the garden, pulls down her pyjama pants and pisses on the spot where she buried Colin's frozen meal.
ReplyDeleteOMG!! That is sick. I hope she's better, because that is not normal behaviour!
ReplyDeleteUgh! To those of you who read it, does she refer to him as Colin or something different? I agree she's getting all this publicity using him and like Gemini said, what could have been a useful book about a serious problem many people have has lost all credibility. It sounds like her illness and the Dr R person are just set dressing. I don't think he can sue her. He's famous and I think he'd have to prove it's untrue and written to hurt his reputation.
ReplyDeleteThanks to you who are sharing info from the book. It doesn't come out in the U.S. even on Amazon until summer.
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She refers to him in her book as 'My Gypsy Husband' She doesn't write much about relationships with other men she just zeroes in on Colin and milks it for all its worth.
ReplyDeleteWhy an earth would someone wish to reveal such a thing... I mean I'll be honest, yes, I actually found it quite funny, but it's something I'd probably tell to my friends, not the world ;)
ReplyDeletePS. If anyone is interested I once stuck a knife into a photo of my ex but then again should I be writing about this - oops I just have! :)) lmao
Someone on IMDB has said she portrays him as abusive and cruel. It seems pretty clear she had a lot to say about her movie star ex. At the very least, she's obviously using his name to promote the book. She's coming across is pretty pathetic. Still using his damn video card! Wonder what the new beau thinks of that. Hm.
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Perhaps the 'new' guy works at 'Blockbusters' video store?! ;)) In fact the way things are looking I'm even now wondering if there is a 'new' guy :-/
ReplyDeleteAs for Colin being 'abusive'... I can believe he may be a lot of things, like most men, but he doesn't strike me as being abusive either verbally or physically. However, mentally I guess we could accuse or believe anyone who's dumped us as being so =((
Agree Gemini. I can see him being cool and distant since he told her it was over and she's not getting it. If you stretch "abusive" to the absolute limit, that could be her definition of verbally abusive, since he's telling her things she doesn't want to hear.
ReplyDeletePhysically? No way. He doesn't care enough to lose his temper IMO.
And yes, not available in US until may, so thanks for all the juicy little details :)
Poor Colin just saw it as a fling. He was dating others while he dated her and he did not introduce her to his parents or family. How was he to know she would see their fling as so much more and become so obsessed with him?
ReplyDeleteHow cracked is it she's still sending him texts about what she's having for freaking dinner and a subscription to the Times??? WTF? What on earth would anyone expect him to do with that random shyte?
ReplyDeleteYes, agree Virgo, glad those who've seen it are willing to share. :)
How scared may colin have been for the safety of preg abc and his baby boy? That may have been the reason he kept them hidden. One never knows. Hope he will be more cautions on his relationships from now on.
ReplyDeleteShe said on her blog,that one night she got drunk and called her ex-boyfriend,I'm assuming Colin,so she can be actually saying the truth in her book:/
ReplyDeleteI do want to feel sorry for her,but I just can't,she scares the sh@t out of me.
Anyone knows who is her new "lucky" boyfriend?
Poor guy,he doesn't know what he got himself into:(
I wonder if the part about showing up drunk on his doorstep to demand her bl*wj*bs back is true? LOL!
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I know for sure is that NONE OF US writing here actually know for sure what has or is happening in Colin's private life. We can all make timelines till we're blue in the face - it still doesn't alter that fact. One thing that never ceases to amaze me is the level of outrage that is levelled at Colin's exes/gfs by his "fans." I'm even confused as to who the outrage is meant to benefit. :( Is it for Colin? - we don't know how he feels about any of his exes. If it's true Emma offered to let him vet the book, then for all we know he may be totally OK with it. From the excperts I've read she paints herself in a far worse light than Colin. Just my opinion ......
ReplyDeleteVirgo, that's a very good question. Since the book was released in the UK on 17 Jan and isn't released in the US until 3 May, I'm wondering how people outside of the press got their copies on or before 9 Jan. Where did you guys get your copies of the book? So far the only things I've seen mentioned here or elsewhere are things that were already discussed or alluded to by the various media outlet reviewers - the excerpts of the book that were cleared for online publication. Where did you guys get your copies? I would love to read the book and formulate my own opinion.
ReplyDeleteHere's a theory. Maybe EF is really a martyr and she decided to publish this book now so everyone would finally stop ragging on "preg abc" <-- that's a new one (I mean, not referring to her as, you know, a conniving "fame ho" who swooped in and got herself knocked up with no help from CF).
Well ladies, I'm breathless with anticipation to find out who we'll be hating on this time next year. Who will be the next lucky sacrificial lamb amongst CF's online community of fans? At this rate, it would take a very brave and thick skinned woman to date that man.
If the book was supposed to be in homage to Ms Forrest's deceased friend Dr R, then why has she allowed all the 'extracts' from her book, and all the interviews she done in regards to the book be focused 'mainly' on the relationship with Colin Farrell.
ReplyDeleteWhy has she not tried her best to promote the book with more reference to Dr R? Instead of permitting, and encouraging the stronger reference to be linked to Farrell?
I'm sure there's a publicist attached to the book. We can't possibly know what she's "encouraged" in terms of promoting it. That's not even her job. It's the publicist's. I'm choosing to make no judgments about the book without having read it, but that's just me. I think some (not all) CF "fans" rush toward any chance of lambasting and hating on the women in his life, past or present - with the exception of Amelia because that was so short lived and they know she is unattainable (for him) and therefore no threat to their fantasies. That's just my opinion though. Even if EF is "disturbed" or "crazy" or all the latest terms being ascribed to her by CF's online fan community, who are we to judge her for that? He was with her. He cared for her. Really, I just find all the thirst for blood when it comes to the women in his life hilarious. And sad.
ReplyDeleteBtw, it's a memoir, not an homage. By definition, it will delve into all aspects of whatever time period of her life it covers.
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ReplyDeleteI accept that Ms Forrest doesn’t effectively, have control over the choice of which parts of her book are published. However, she was quite happy to go along with the promotional aspect of Colin Farrell’s name being attached to her book - such as when agreeing to this interview last week:
THE INDEPENDENT: Asked what it's like having Hollywoood's leading man at your side, Emma told The Diary this week:
"Dating Col is wonderful, so long as you don't leave the house…
"Art galleries you can just about get away with, safe because everyone's looking at the walls. Then it's like the song Paul Simon wrote about Carrie Fisher: ‘Someone could walk into this room and say your life is on fire! It's all over the evening news, all about the fire in your life on the evening news'."
"Everyone's best quality is also their worst quality and the fact that I've a skin too thin makes me a good writer, but is not useful when dating a movie star. I couldn't hide how much the tabloid chatter got to me. I definitely failed him there," she told me.
However, the former lovers were back in contact lately when Emma asked Colin if he wanted to read her memoir before it was published.
"He (Colin) thought about it for a bit, then sent an absolutely beautiful letter saying he didn't need to. It was such a thoughtful letter that confirmed all the good I'd seen in him. He has a copy if he ever changes his mind," she told me this week.
However, neither Colin nor anyone else is named in Emma's book, which she describes as a "love letter to the psychiatrist who saved my life after I turned up in his office following a youthful suicide attempt".
However, 'Col' could well turn up in the movie of Your Voice In My Head, whose screen rights have just been bought by Jane Eyre producer Alison Owen.
Asked if she would agree to Colin Farrell playing any of the characters in her memoir, Emma said: "I'd put him in any movie -- he's brilliant (or he wouldn't be so f*cking complicated!)"
To read the full article please go here: http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/emma-i-sent-my-ex-colin-farrell-my-memoir-2497171.html
If Ms Forrest wants to deter people from merely ‘assuming’ the book is not suppose to be focused on Colin Farrell… then why keep referring to him; both on paper and in person!
Thank you for pointing out to me that the book is a memoir…
“Btw, it's a memoir, not an homage. By definition, it will delve into all aspects of whatever time period of her life it covers”.
I use the word ‘homage’ because by Ms Forrest’s own description her memoir is a…
"love letter to the psychiatrist who saved my life after I turned up in his office following a youthful suicide attempt".
I’m sorry, if you felt I’d been too liberal in my using of the word ‘homage’, but as the writer herself expresses her book to be a ‘love letter’, I felt that my own term and usage of the word ‘homage’ was in actual fact acknowledging, and respecting Ms Forrest’s own reflected description.
Definition: Homage or hommage is a show of respect to someone or something.
The concept now often appears in the arts where one author shows respect to a topic by calling it an homage, such as Homage to Catalonia. Alternatively, creative artists may show respect to a veteran of the field or to an admired practitioner by alluding to their work.
Gem, you're stretching the meaning of the word. To call the book an homage to him would imply the title should be "DR. R" not "Your Voice in my Head." To say that she pays homage *to him* in the book is one thing. To say that she wrote it "in homage" to him, as you did (which clearly implies a sole purpose), is quite another. The bottom line, as always, is the CF "fan" community is out for blood. You can choose to analyze book excerpts and make judgments. The homepage crew can choose to draw time lines all day long. I choose to reserve my judgment until I've read the book.
ReplyDelete7:29 - I so agree with you - " the bottom line, as always, is the CF "fan" community is out for blood." - I also think it is just a very vocal minority of about 10-12 "fans" who take over any forum about Colin. (Their spiritual home is Imdb.)One question - why is it SO WRONG for a woman who ACTUALLY KNOWS Colin to write about her relationship with him (OK possibly with a bit of poetic license) but it is perfectly OK for so called "fans" who don't know Colin or any of his girlfriends to continually make personal attacks against these women? What I find most disturbing is that Colin, and now Emma have said they find some comments made by the "fan online community" hard to handle. Fair enough it's possible some of Emma's comments may upset Colin (we don't know that however) but do any of his shall we say " more vocal" fans ever consider that their comments may be hurting Colin more? :-/
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ReplyDeleteTo the best of my knowledge the book’s title came as a reference from Dr R’s widow, and was in respect of Ms Forrest having ‘internalized’ Dr R and his work. So you could argue that as she has ‘titled’ her memoir upon the suggestion of Dr R’s widow then she has done so in ‘honour’ of his work and the man. Therefore, this is the same approach as having done so out of ‘respect’, which can be quite easily classed as being within the same class as paying ‘homage’ to someone, and their work.
Ms Forrest gives the motive for her memoir as having been an ‘idea’ - born from others rather than her actual self. A memoir is indeed about a person’s life, or a period of time from their life. But you have to question the ‘aptly’ timing of her decision to go ahead and write this memoir. Out of a need to share her experience and the workings and good that came from knowing and working with Dr R… certainly, some of the content will be so, and should be so. But let’s look at her recent work; for example the screenplay ‘Liars’. A project whereby ex-boyfriends are the donimate subject, and so particularly of interest when you consider that at this time Ms Forrest had only recently broke up from a relationship with… oh surprise, surprise, Colin Farrell?! Naturally, assumptions were made, as she knew they would be, but her work without doubt got noticed and therefore, made her a viable and bankable. And now onto her latest offering, a memoir which chronicles a specific time in her life, and yet again, just happens to be significantly and effectively woven into a time period whereby 3 subsequent ex-boyfriend experiences are ‘personally’ reviewed. The most notably of whom can only be one Mr Colin Farrell.
I am not saying she is not a good writer, or that her memoir won’t prove to be a decent read, nor am I saying the book is solely based on her relationship with Farrell. But what I do suspect is that Emma Forrest is an expert in knowing ‘timing’ is everything, and she has certainly so far… demonstrated a knack for perfect timing! Not only with her script for ‘Liars’, but also this memoir. In that sense she ‘is’ capitalising on the exploitation of others in order to gain publicity for her work, and indeed herself. Therefore, it cannot, not beg the question: If Ms Forrest had not had a relationship with Colin Farrell would she have generated nearly such an interest in her screenplay Liars’, and would she have really, been so open to the concept of writing a memoir in regards to this specific time in her life… even with the untimely passing of Dr R?
But I can say personally, I do not hate Emma Forrest; I think she is an intelligent and a beautiful woman, who has had her fair share of knocks in this life and somehow managed to find her way back and survived. That I respect ;;)
However, I am annoyed that she continues to try, and masquerade the choice of recent material for her work as being something that it is not... in terms of its actual entirety.
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I cannot represent individuals on my blog; I believe everyone is entitled to have their say - whether good, bad or darn right silly, but it is my belief that everyone should be allowed this option because this is a blog. Therefore, the material produced, and commented on is not revenue based. Freedom of Speech is important… but alas not all of us are in a ‘position’… whereby we can freely make our voice heard and so a blog gives me, and others the platform and opportunity to do this by remaining anonymous, yet still permitting us voice our opinions without fear of retribution :-o
Gem, if she were writing a book for the sole purpose of honoring a man and his work, that would be a biography, not a memoir. You didn't say "paying homage" to him. You said she wrote it (as in, the entire book) "IN homage."
ReplyDeleteYou seem to want to hold fast to the idea that as an artist (writer) she is not entitled to making autobiographical art. Your notion of "timing" is moot, for lack of a better word. We have NO idea what it was like to be in a relationship with that man. We have NO idea what it's like to be CRUCIFIED, daily, online, by the so called "fans" of one's boyfriend. We have NO idea how that might effect a person, moreover, a person with an ADMITTED BATTLE with mental health issues. So let's crucify her some more, why don't we. Just like all of the women in his life.
So the "timing" is what it is. The (perhaps) cathartic writing only naturally comes AFTER the abuse. And make no mistake about it - what some people on the VARIOUS CF boards dish out IS abuse. I would not be surprised if it contributed to their break up on some level. How much public crucifixion can one woman take? Honestly. Everyone should try to learn a little empathy. It wouldn't kill ya. And for all of CF's failed relationships, the one and only consistent thing we can point to is HIM. And I say that as a fan. But come on. Maybe he's a great father and a great humanitarian and a great actor. But maybe, just maybe, HE'S got some issues in the relationship department. It's none of our business. Really. I think some people need to take a look in the mirror while they're hurling their assaults of judgment.
It is my understanding that most people equate a biography to be of the same meaning as a memoir. So if you write something in ‘honour‘, or as ‘paying’ homage too, or ‘in’ homage to someone… then effectively you are writing with reference to, about, and in relation of that someone. Collectively, they are all parallel, and therefore, equal in terms of the book we are discussing.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the writing of this memoir could have proved to be a therapeutic process for the artist (writer) concerned . However, as a writer, if you chose to write and reveal a specific time period of your life, you consciously know that the content is going to be transmitted into the public arena - as this is the purpose, is it not? Therefore, you are aware of the fact such material is going to be examined, and talked about.
NO we don’t know what it was like to be in a relationship with this man, or what lessons the writer learned from her deceased therapist Dr R, or indeed what it was like for Emma Forrest during this time period. But is that not the objective of the book… to invite us to read, and discover exactly what it was like to be in a relationship with this man, what lessons were learned from Dr R, and indeed what it was like for the person in question. She herself, is willing, and wanting to inform us about what was happening to her in her life at this time.
And during ‘that’ time she was involved with a man who has a career very much in the public eye, of which Ms Forrest was completely aware of. Nobody forced her to read the ’online’ comments being written, and if they upset her then why an earth would she ‘feel’ the need to, or even ‘want’ to continue reading such remarks? She was going out him, he wanted to be with her, what did it matter what anybody else thought, or was saying? To suggest that the ‘online’ CF sites contributed in some way to their eventual break-up is ridiculous. If Ms Forrest couldn’t handle such material then why did she put herself through the torment of prolonging such an act? Because she has mental health issues… sorry, but that excuse is just feeble. She knows better than anyone her problems, and how they impinge on her, and so therefore, she would know by allowing herself to succumb to the temptation to read about herself it would not prove beneficial. If something is not proving positive to you on a personal level, and is starting to have a detrimental effect on the relationship between you and your boyfriend then you have to make a ‘decision‘; one way or the other. So I am sorry, but ultimately, you are the one at fault if you choose to continue with the pessimistic path, and not anyone else. And maybe the question could even posed as to why you would allow this to happen… could it be easier than admitting something might be wrong within the relationship? If you are happy in your relationship then why let people whom you’re never going to meet, whom you don’t even know, and probably wouldn’t want to know - spoil something you know is good?
PS. I believe all CF fans know that he by no means a ‘perfect human being’ as are any of us. Of course he has flaws, and maintaining relationships may very well be one area where he struggles. I wonder how any of us would feel if someone we once dated wrote a book detailing our private conversations, and personal time together… simply because they hold the position and have the opportunity to do so?
Wow. Did you actually delete my reply, Gemini? Or is it just some glitch with blogger? It was here and now it's not. Strange indeed. Maybe you should check your blog trash and see if you didn't accidentally move my comment to it... somehow. Hmm.
ReplyDeleteWhat bothered you so much about my reply? The fact that I pointed out that a biography is by definition about someone else and a memoir is about oneself? Or was it my statement that if you were being bashed online daily, I do not believe you would not be compelled to read it? Or was it my point that being crucified online daily is very likely to cause one emotional stress and in turn could cause strain on a relationship - especially when the bashing is being done by your boyfriend's so called "fans?"
As I said in closing of that reply: No one can teach you empathy. It is something life will either teach you or not.
Have fun with your never ending hate fest of the women - then and now - in CF's life, ladies.
Oh yes, almost forgot. And my most important question once again:
ReplyDeleteIf you're so incensed by the whole thing, then why did you go out of your way to read and "analyze" the excerpts of the book? As I said in my mysteriously evaporated comment, you are as curious as the next guy. You'll get the book and you'll read every word.
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ReplyDelete“Wow. Did you actually delete my reply, Gemini? Or is it just some glitch with blogger? It was here and now it's not. Strange indeed“.
I don’t know who you are, but I can assure you, I have NEVER DELETED anyone’s comments on this blog… EVER!
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“What bothered you so much about my reply?”
Nothing bothered me. Because you had taken the time to comment ‘in depth’ in regards to the above post; I took the time to reply ‘in depth’ to you. I was pleased that you wanted to voice, and share your opinions, and I also believed you made some valued points. So because I am courteousness person, I naturally gave response to your comments by presenting my reasons, and opinions in relation to the post.
From reading your recent comment, you make reference to some very similar remarks made by Anonymous 23 Jan 1:09 PM. My reply to this comment follows as the comment made after at 7:11 PM. In fact, I actually made a ‘whopping’ mistake in my comment, as I said…
“… most people equate a biography to be the same meaning as a memoir.’
I of course, meant to say ‘auto-biography’… so my apologies for that blunder!
However, that doesn’t change the fact that I have NOT DELETED your comment or anybody else’s comments. So if your comment did not appear on the blog then it is definitely not from any deliberate tampering at this end.
In reaction to your last comment…
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“If you're so incensed by the whole thing, then why did you go out of your way to read and "analyze" the excerpts of the book? As I said in my mysteriously evaporated comment, you are as curious as the next guy“.
I was certainly curious to know how Ms Forrest deals with her mental heath problems as it’s an area I’m experienced in, and I could have dealt with some coverage of her relationship with Farrell, but when I discovered the book contains pages covering her relationship with him… this for me, is where the curiosity stopped.
Despite being a CF fan; I don’t want to know about the ‘personal conversations’ he had with his girlfriend at the time, nor do I wish to read in ‘graphic detail’ his possible yearning for a second child. It’s too personal, and it makes me feel uncomfortable reading about someone’s private feelings, said at a time in private, between a couple whom believed they were love and probably were ‘at that time’ , and so naturally… placed great trust in one another. (Sadly, for Colin it has turned out to be greatly misguided!)
As a fan it this type of ‘disclosure’ can spoil your ‘idea’ of the person. Immediately, I can sense what you’re now probably thinking; You just don’t want to know the truth about him because the truth hurts! Well, yes in some respects this is true, but as the memoir in question has been written by a jilted ex-girlfriend with only ‘her’ version of the ‘truth’ to go on; how do I know that what she is actually telling me IS fact, and not what she wants me to think? I have nothing to compare it too such as any comment by Farrell himself so I would be inclined to view the person who wrote the book with some ‘caution’. Especially, as the person writing the memoir is a ‘writer’ by livelihood and so therefore, they would know how to piece together a convincing and sellable story.
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ReplyDeleteFor me, there are two main reasons why I am irked by Ms Forrest’s book; firstly, she has exploited her relationship with Colin Farrell in every possible way she can conjure up, but done so, in very calculated manner.
Her screenplay ’Liar’s’ was her first attempt at purposely trying to ‘link’ her name back to Colin Farrell, and therefore, capitalise off his name by sheer association. By creatively layering the script with obvious comparisons and indirect suggestions, the public… unsurprisingly, made the reasonable assumption it must be referring to the actor with whom she had recently spilt up with. This notion was then reinforced by the woman herself, who boasted of how she wrote the script within ‘three day’s’ of her break-up with Farrell.
As I’ve mentioned before ‘timing’ is everything, and Ms Forrest is an experienced, and perceptively skilled writer. She knows ‘a’ name will attract an audience, and for any writer wanting to be successful - the material you write has to grab people’s attention in order to generate a mass interest.
And secondly, we now have a memoir released, which once again, just so happens to revolve around the time-period of when she was dating Colin Farrell - only this time she gives us a revealing, and meticulous account of the actual relationship with him. But then proceeds to masquerade the book under the smokescreen of it’s really about various experiences in her life, which she felt inspired to write about after the untimely passing of her therapist Dr R. Well, yes… I’m sure a lot of it is… but how utterly convenient is her timing again, and how lucrative may such timing prove - again!? But more importantly, will she stop here, or is there still yet more come?
The reason I write about my dislike of this book is because I do believe - Ms Forrest IS going out of her way to try and damage Colin Farrell’s name. What’s more, she seems determined to remain self-righteous in her campaign to verify him as the deceiver, and she as the victim. Yet amazingly, she can still find it in her heart to admire him a person, and respect him as an actor?!
If she really had any decent thoughts regarding this man as a person then why would she want to expose him as a baby infatuated love-rat? Has she given any thought to how his youngest son might feel later in life - should he happen to be told by people or indeed read her book? How will he feel reading that his father, according to this woman, was someone who wanted a baby with basically ’any’ woman that was prepared to give him one. How will he view his father after reading such hurtful words; will he think his father never loved his mother but just wanted a child with her? And what about Alicja Bachleda in all this sorry saga; how does she feel about the father of her child being broadcast to the world as nothing more than a sperm-seeking charlatan?! I suspect Ms Forrest has considered how Ms Bachleda will feel, and has consciously decided not to give a shit! After all; it is all about Emma; Emma is the one who got hurt, Emma the one that’s had to cope, and it is Emma who has once again survived the cruelties of the big bad world.
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ReplyDeleteEmma Forrest is not parent, and it shows; if she had had a child with Farrell then I wonder if she might have thought twice before deciding to assail him? Ms Forrest is an attention-seeking woman, whose inspiration for this memoir has driven by scorned impulse, and immaturity, and she has clearly given no real thought to the effects her book may have on the innocent in the future. As you quoted: A# 1:09 AM; “No-one can teach you empathy. It is something life will either teach you or not“.
PS.
As for wishing me luck in my ‘never hate fest of the women - then and now- in CF’s life‘. This is post is not about other women, this post was about Emma Forrest, and her book. You may say; well you all ‘hate’ any woman he becomes involved with, and for some, yes they will, I don’t personally, but as this is a CF Blog and so everyone will be entitled to have their say; good or bad or stupid. The difference is this is a blog, and not a book!
@ 1:09. I find it vastly amusing that you bash others yet don't have the cojones to use a sign-in name.
ReplyDeleteI am not one to bash Colin's women indiscriminately, but I must wonder about your strident defense of EF, who is clearly self-centered, self-serving and delusional (in addition to being psychotic). This has nothing to do with the fact that she used to date Colin.
One has the feeling that you defend her, and only her, from any attack. Why is that, do you suppose?
"I of course, meant to say ‘auto-biography’… so my apologies for that blunder!"
ReplyDeleteThis tells me without a doubt, Gemini, that you read my comment that I originally made following the one you made on January 23, 2011 7:11pm and you deleted it. I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your response.
And yes, it is abundantly clear that you and many others will hate any and every woman in his life (sans mom and sis) til the end of time. No matter what. And that is warped.
Wingnut, presenting ones opinion in a strong, logical, or even argumentative manner is not "bashing." Repeatedly calling someone "Dodo Bird" or "Horse Face" or "The Chin" or "Banana Face FameHo" (while they're pregnant with the child of the man ya'll love some much, to boot); making non-stop inflammatory character assassinations of people you don't know, IS bashing. <-- See the difference now?
I'm so fed up with being a fan of CF. He comes with too much baggage: you people. I'm done with CF and done with this blog. Go ahead, delete this, respond with more nonsense. I won't be back to read it.
Good lord. You're paranoid. Now we know why you won't comment with a username - you ARE EF! Seriously...the conclusions you reach are absolutely ludicrous and without any logical basis whatsoever. I can't imagine any reason anyone here would miss you.
ReplyDeleteAs they say: don't let the door hit your arse on your way out! =))
The reason I write about my dislike of this book is because I do believe - Ms Forrest IS going out of her way to try and damage Colin Farrell’s name. What’s more, she seems determined to remain self-righteous in her campaign to verify him as the deceiver, and she as the victim. Yet amazingly, she can still find it in her heart to admire him a person, and respect him as an actor?!
ReplyDeleteIf she really had any decent thoughts regarding this man as a person then why would she want to expose him as a baby infatuated love-rat? Has she given any thought to how his youngest son might feel later in life - should he happen to be told by people or indeed read her book? How will he feel reading that his father, according to this woman, was someone who wanted a baby with basically ’any’ woman that was prepared to give him one. How will he view his father after reading such hurtful words; will he think his father never loved his mother but just wanted a child with her? And what about Alicja Bachleda in all this sorry saga; how does she feel about the father of her child being broadcast to the world as nothing more than a sperm-seeking charlatan?! I suspect Ms Forrest has considered how Ms Bachleda will feel, and has consciously decided not to give a shit! After all; it is all about Emma; Emma is the one who got hurt, Emma the one that’s had to cope, and it is Emma who has once again survived the cruelties of the big bad world.
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This was the real reason anon left this board. She ,being EF or not, can't answer to this. You are brilliant gemini.
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ReplyDelete“This tells me without a doubt, Gemini, that you read my comment that I originally made following the one you made on January 23, 2011 7:11pm and you deleted it. I’m not going to bother reading the rest of your response”.
Thank you for responding to my last comment, and yes, it does confirm that I read your comment. As I clearly, stated before, I have read ‘every’ comment that you have submitted, but if the comment was not submitted then I can not read it!
I will say again, only louder: I HAVE NEVER DELETED ANYONE’S COMMENTS… as I am now suspecting you know full well. What you are doing is futile, and serves only to expose you as someone ‘deliberately’ trying to ’insinuate’ that I have removed a comment you made because I didn’t like it?! Please… everyone on this blog knows that is absolutely ‘not’ my style.
The fact you have chosen not to ’bother reading’ my entire response back to you; firstly, tells me you were obviously not seriously interested in discussing the topic, and therefore, must have been merely commenting for effect, which is a shame as I believed you were being genuine with your input. And secondly, by leaving such a ‘final’ comment as you have - shows you to be nothing more than the immature person you seem quite happy to accuse everyone else of being!
I’m sorry you have now decided being a CF fan is no longer for you, but you could not have been very much of a fan to begin with if ‘one allegation‘ (unfounded), and ‘one blog’ has the power to change your mind on whether you ‘like’ someone as an actor or not. Surely, that person’s acting skills are what drew you to him initially, and not just because he happens to be a famous name! :-/
Yikes. How did I miss all this? I have some catching up to do.
ReplyDeleteGemini, I only skimmed the comments above but wanted to say I think your blog is great and you are a sweetheart.
Iz
i saw the comment b4 it disappeared too
ReplyDelete:-o All I can say Jax is you too must be seeing things... but thanks for commenting.
ReplyDeleteHi Iz ;;)
Yes, it would appear someone is having much fun trying to 'imply' that I removed one of their comments because I didn't like it?! It's not my style as you know, but it looks as if they're still getting a kick out of keeping up the pretence!
"And what about Alicja Bachleda in all this sorry saga; how does she feel about the father of her child being broadcast to the world as nothing more than a sperm-seeking charlatan?! I suspect Ms Forrest has considered how Ms Bachleda will feel, and has consciously decided not to give a shit! "
ReplyDeleteLMFAO that's the funniest thing I've read on this blog in a LONG time! LOL. Suddenly she's gone from a gold diggin' fame ho to "Miss Bachleda". Well, she IS out of the picture now. So now you can all focus your misguided hatred elsewhere! LOL!!! Funny!!!!
Gemini you really shouldn't be so defensive if someone doesn't agree with you or out argues you. Comments don't delete themselves hahahahaaaa!
Nobody ‘out argued’ me because I wasn’t in an argument to begin with… I was ‘discussing’ a difference of opinion.
ReplyDelete“Comments don’t delete themselves… ”
How very judicious of you… here’s something else you might like to ponder: comments can not be read if the person doesn’t submit them in the first place!
I figured the nutcase couldn't stay away from posting here :))
ReplyDeleteYou guys are not going to like this, but Emma is sick in the head, but she worked for the Psychiatrist and was steeling other peoples notes to write her book. She was an obsessed freak for him, and he couldn't get rid of her. He met her on a set with someone from rehab, she was working with the psychiatrist at the same time and there was the introduction. She wasn't even supposed to hook up or meet with him outside of the rehab and psych needs for drug addiction. She was using him to write a book and he was needing help from a break down. She made it into a relationship but he wasn't even dating her. He couldn't get rid of her. She pulled a real breech from her own psychotic behaviour to see if she could get away with it. But there was no evidence to prove anything, because she was the volunteer helping out the psychiatrist. The home she is talking about was probably the office he was visiting and she was there. Rehab therapists as well as support workers will walk with you every where you go on scheduled time to help you through whatever mental illness you have. She was making it up so she could spend time with him. She had more than a crush on him, but he wasn't interested. He was looking for friendship to help himself through his emotional break down and he was with other woman. It is about selling her book. His name isn't even supposed to be in that book. If the pschiastrist even knew about it he could really sue her and so could Colin.
ReplyDeleteIris Rose The Irish Kind.
She is making up a fairy tale out of a real situation. She is a grand Manipulator. DO NOT BUY THAT BOOK!
ReplyDeleteThe book isn't even about her. She's trying to make her life interesting on other peoples stories. She is a FRUAD.
ReplyDeleteFRAUD FRAUD
ReplyDeleteHow can she get away with it?